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Re: Can't we all just get along?

: Did skiers and ski areas have to adapt their rules to accomodate
: snowboarders? You bet. Now that the shoe is on the other foot (so to
: speak) I'm not seeing much reciprocation.

I agree 100%. Look at the outcry about Taos and Aspen not allowing snowboarders.

Kayakers need to be courteous and try to work within the framework that surfers already have established so our efforts won't be rejected.

Surfers need to be more tolerant of other forms of waveriding, and the "old school" surfers admonishing the young dudes to be less hostile is a good step.

: Personally, I try to follow the rules of surf etiquette (which are, in fact,
: biased toward the way surfers ride waves) when board surfers are near by,
: but I find the best way to avoid confrontation is simply to stay away from
: board surfers altogether. This isn't always easy as you can see in one of
: my original posts.

It isn't easy, but it's a good solution. Kayakers need to learn somewhere, so choosing a location away from more popular breaks is a great way to learn the boat control that is necessary to interact within mixed groups.

: Murray stated that he dislikes it when large groups of kayakers "take
: over" an area, but the fact remains that a group of kayakers riding
: waves directly into shore will take up a fraction of the space needed for
: a similar group of board surfers. And everyone gets way more rides! Is
: this recreational usage of the waves wrong simply because it goes against
: convention? Not in my opinion.

I agree there is room for some small compromise. Asking surfers to completely rewrite their rules is asking too much, but simply asking for an equal share of the waves isn't unreasonable. It's the same thing they do now in sharing waves, but the manner of taking turns on waves would have to be adjusted slightly.

I know how the surfers feel. You mentioned crappy snowboarders scraping all the good pow off steep slopes by sliding sideways down the slope. This is analogous to the kayak surfer surfing straight in and conflicting with a surfer coming down the barrel. The person with the new use is having a great time at the expense of the established practice. I have nothing against the good snowboarders--I have a lot of respect for them, in fact, but it's the people who are riding on slopes where they don't belong that really gets my gall. Apply this mindset and it's not hard to see things through the surfer's eyes.

We can respect good snowboarders; yet snowboarders can further their own end by discouraging the hacks amongst them. Otherwise a few bad apples spoil it for everybody. What we need to do is to give board surfers reason to respect the good and respectful kayakers, by not permitting the "disrespectful" uses amongst our own ranks.

Criminal activity is criminal activity, and shouldn't be accepted by anyone. The things you've mentioned seem indigenous to the high school/20 year-old set, and few of them are attracted to a seemingly benign sport like sea kayaking. (Those kids are all WW kayaking and rodeoing). Still, there are very callous things that older folks do--they just don't as often fall into the criminal category.

Practice fairness and demand it from others.