Thanks for the response and link to my strongback question about external s.B's......still not sure how the forms work on that picture but I'm sure I'll work out an idea. The wooden boat show here on the east coast a couple of weeks ago was also inspiring. Met Nick and his brother and purchased the expedition set of plans that I've got the forms cut out for now ready for the s.b. those wooden boats lets one wanna build a NBoahs Ark and float away..thanx again......ANDYBLDS