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Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 10/11/2007, 7:58 pm
In Response To: Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass (Paul G. Jacobson)

: According to a couple of sources, Ted Moores and a bio of Rushton, the
: constant swelling and drying led to cracking of the thin strips. Rushton
: solved that by using narrower strips (2 inch rather that 4 inches or
: wider) and sealing things with varnish. The Rushton bio had copy from a
: sales flyer of his in which he mentions that the joints between the
: strakes were sealed with his varnish, and fastened with clenched copper
: nails between the ribs. I suppose we'd use epoxy as a sealer today. The
: wood didn't swell and shrink, so it didn't crack. That was a big deal for
: canoes which would be taken in and out of the water. larger boats which
: stayed wet didn't have the cracking problem because they didn't dry out.

: Thomas Hill's book "Ultralight Boatbuilding", shows this lapstrake
: construction with 1/8th inch (3mm) marine plywood. Where the
: "planks" overlap the hull is about 1/4 inch thick --same as a
: strip-built boat.

: Hill starts with planks cut from his plywood sheets which are maybe 4 inches
: wide and 8 feet long. His molds are made like the frames for SOF kayaks,
: with "ribbands" running the length of the boat. We'd probably
: call those chines or stringers. His method of gluing down one edge of
: these plywood planks, then using a router with with a pattern cutting bit
: running along the ribbands to trim the excess material seems to be a
: pretty quick operation.

: I suggest a similar technique for making plywood panels to cover the frame of
: a SOF kayak--as opposed to using fabric to skin it. Instead of using a
: router and pattern bit, I just run a pencil line along the chine (ribband)
: remove the panel, and cut on the line.

: Since a hull made with Hill's technique uses fewer panels than a similarly
: sized boat would use thin strips, and since the overlapping of the strakes
: eliminates the need for rolling bevels, or cove and bead, I think this
: would take less time, not more. Working with planks made from plywood
: would also eliminate the time needed for ripping strips and planing them
: to thickness.

: Plywood thickness is pretty even already. Scarfing up two sheets of plywood
: gives me almost 16-foot-long "strips' which are knotfree, without a
: lot of the wood turning to sawdust, too.

: Hill, by the way, doesn't use glass on the inside of his boats, either. Very
: little on the outside either, for that matter. He adds a layer of Dynole,
: glass, or something similar on the bottom of the boat, in the
: "football" area, just for ding resistance.

: Haven't actually had the time to build anything this way yet, so I can't say
: it is so, tho. Right now it is just my opinion.

: PGJ

At some point here I'd like to build a lapstrake whitehall, had one when I was a kid and loved that boat. Might be a chance to try that process :)

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
john faas -- 10/3/2007, 1:58 pm
makes no sense
LeeG -- 10/9/2007, 8:20 am
Re: makes no sense
HenkA -- 10/9/2007, 10:47 pm
Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/11/2007, 1:01 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Bryan Hansel -- 10/11/2007, 7:18 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Bill Hamm -- 10/11/2007, 8:00 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass *LINK* *Pic*
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 10/12/2007, 8:02 am
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Bill Hamm -- 10/12/2007, 8:17 am
I'd like a side of ribs with a glass of resin
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/12/2007, 11:05 am
Re: I'd like a side of ribs with a glass of resin
Bill Hamm -- 10/12/2007, 3:52 pm
Re: I'd like a side of ribs with a glass of resin
Mike Savage -- 10/12/2007, 2:04 pm
Re: I'd like a side of ribs with a glass of resin
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 10/12/2007, 11:25 am
Re: I'd like a side of ribs with a glass of resin
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/12/2007, 11:57 am
Re: I'd like a side of ribs with a glass of resin
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 10/12/2007, 12:18 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 10/12/2007, 10:36 am
fix up your Pal
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/12/2007, 11:47 am
Re: fix up your Pal
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 10/12/2007, 12:16 pm
Re: fix up your Pal
Bill Hamm -- 10/12/2007, 3:46 pm
Re: fix up your Pal
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 10/14/2007, 8:19 am
Re: fix up your Pal
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/12/2007, 1:04 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
TOM RAYMOND -- 10/11/2007, 6:00 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Bill Hamm -- 10/11/2007, 5:02 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
John Monroe -- 10/13/2007, 6:38 am
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Bill Hamm -- 10/13/2007, 7:17 am
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/11/2007, 6:48 pm
Re: Yes, I'd trust a boat with NO inside glass
Bill Hamm -- 10/11/2007, 7:58 pm
Re: makes no sense
Bryan Hansel -- 10/10/2007, 12:32 pm
Re: makes no sense
Robert N Pruden -- 10/10/2007, 8:12 pm
Re: makes no sense
TOM RAYMOND -- 10/11/2007, 11:41 am
Re: makes no sense
Bill Hamm -- 10/11/2007, 2:51 am
re. ten pounds less
LeeG -- 10/10/2007, 12:55 pm
Re: makes no sense
Bill Hamm -- 10/10/2007, 1:38 am
Re: makes no sense
HenkA -- 10/10/2007, 10:39 pm
Re: makes no sense
Bill Hamm -- 10/11/2007, 2:48 am
Re: makes no sense
HenkA -- 10/11/2007, 3:46 pm
Re: makes no sense
Bill Hamm -- 10/11/2007, 2:49 am
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
HenkA -- 10/4/2007, 8:25 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
HenkA -- 10/4/2007, 10:44 pm
Re: S&G: (Link to thread: Which gives stronger boa *LINK*
HenkA -- 10/4/2007, 10:34 pm
Re: S&G: (Link to thread: try again *LINK*
HenkA -- 10/4/2007, 10:55 pm
Two links to tests of strip & S&G
Glen Smith -- 10/4/2007, 8:54 pm
Re: Two links to tests of strip & S&G
Robert N Pruden -- 10/4/2007, 9:58 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
Bill Hamm -- 10/4/2007, 1:30 am
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
vk1nf -- 10/3/2007, 9:44 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
Aaron -- 10/3/2007, 8:41 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
Scott Baxter -- 10/3/2007, 7:49 pm
Disagree!
Robert N Pruden -- 10/3/2007, 6:43 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
Charlie -- 10/3/2007, 5:39 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/3/2007, 2:44 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
Robert N Pruden -- 10/3/2007, 6:49 pm
durability not the issue. Think "ability" instead
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/4/2007, 9:12 am
Re: durability not the issue. Think "ability" inst
Robert N Pruden -- 10/4/2007, 6:30 pm
Only one job? You'll go mad!!! *NM*
TOM RAYMOND -- 10/4/2007, 6:47 pm
Robert is gonna start writing his books
Robert N Pruden -- 10/4/2007, 7:06 pm
Re: Robert is gonna start writing his books
Ken Sutheland -- 10/6/2007, 6:24 pm
Re: S&G: S & G less durable than strip-built
Bryan Hansel -- 10/3/2007, 2:17 pm