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Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
By:Bruce
Date: 10/18/2002, 12:51 pm
In Response To: Re: Other: stupidity leads to death (Pete Staehling)

: I mostly agree, but question the comments about the pump.

: If they didn't have the skills to dump the boat in the conditions, then I
: wouldn't be too sure that a pump would have helped much. I am pretty much
: a novice sea kayaker and can dump out my boat alone in most conditions
: that I could effectively pump it out. With the bow of another boat to hang
: on to, it should be easy, unless conditions are rough enough to make
: pumping out difficult too.

: I carry a pump, mainly because I go on CPA trips where it is required. That
: said, I have a hard time imagining conditions where a pump is the best
: answer.

: Note: I am not saying it isn't good to have a pump along; another option is
: always good. I am just suggesting that the lack of a pump wasn't the real
: problem so much as a lack of sufficient reentry skills for the conditions.
: Good, well practiced, rentry skills would have probably saved him without
: a pump; a pump with no skills probably wouldn't have helped.

: Pete

They neglected to mention the boat must not have had bulkheads. It filled up and turned into a needle. They attempted a tee rescue but were unable to empty the boat because it was to heavy when full of water. By the way 2 to 3 foot buildig to 4 foot seas on Lake Michigan can be very dificult to handle as the waves can be very close together and very confused They are almost always assisted by 25-35 mph winds. Our local kayak group has been second guessing the accident for a few weeks.A follow up article a week later added the above details. I think they were "experianced" but lacked proper equipment and perhaps proper judgement.
Be careful

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Other: stupidity leads to death
Tom -- 10/18/2002, 1:18 am
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
dean trexel -- 10/22/2002, 2:46 am
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Tom -- 10/22/2002, 11:28 am
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John Monroe -- 10/21/2002, 6:36 am
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Shawn Baker -- 10/21/2002, 4:34 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Chip Sandresky -- 10/21/2002, 12:46 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Jim Kozel -- 10/21/2002, 4:59 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Chip Sandresky -- 10/21/2002, 5:22 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Shawn Baker -- 10/21/2002, 5:46 pm
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John Monroe -- 10/22/2002, 8:07 am
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John Monroe -- 10/22/2002, 8:19 am
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Shawn Baker -- 10/22/2002, 11:46 am
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
John Monroe -- 10/23/2002, 8:16 am
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Chip Sandresky -- 10/18/2002, 3:14 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Jeff The Tall -- 10/21/2002, 4:33 pm
Where are the flares?? *NM*
Tony -- 10/18/2002, 1:30 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Don Beale -- 10/18/2002, 12:46 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Pete Staehling -- 10/18/2002, 9:57 am
Re: Other: ignorance leads to death
Shawn Baker -- 10/18/2002, 2:08 pm
Re: Other: stupidity leads to death
Bruce -- 10/18/2002, 12:51 pm