Date: 4/23/2000, 11:55 pm
That's too bad. Somewhere out there is an engineer for Necky or somebody reading this and laughing it up...
It stands to reason that since there are so few failures with our "standard" layups, but it would be nice to know if my methods of application work. All of my boats have been about 10% over design weight, but then I read the thread about weights of other CLC's and mine isnt out of line.
This thread's getting too long. I'm glad George stirs up the fire though.
: I don't know of any standard to which production boats are built. The
: builders I know did not determine their layup by making test panels and
: doing standardized engineering tests on the lay. This is not to say that
: nobody does, but there is a wide body of knowledge about what layups work
: that serves as a starting point. Builders vary the layup with their own
: ideas, build boats and paddle them hard, then modify their layup as
: required.
: We could make sample panels of what the layups we think the manufacturers use
: and then compare our own panels to those. But since most layups are
: proprietary, beyond buy boats and sawing them up the best we can do is
: guess and hope.
: I think strength testing of manufactured kayaks would be interesting for all
: kayakers, but right now the data does not exist.
Messages In This Thread
- Safety, two points
Nolan -- 4/20/2000, 9:32 am- Re: Safety, two points
Rehd -- 4/22/2000, 3:59 am- Re: Safety, two points
Erez -- 4/22/2000, 10:16 pm
- Re: Safety, two points
- Re: What information do you want?
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/21/2000, 11:49 am- Re: What information do you want?
Nolan -- 4/21/2000, 12:33 pm- Re: P.S.
Nolan -- 4/21/2000, 12:36 pm- Re: Seat of the pants tests
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/21/2000, 2:10 pm- Re: Seat of the pants tests
Don Beale -- 4/21/2000, 9:09 pm - Re: Seat of the pants tests
Nolan -- 4/21/2000, 2:46 pm- Re: Seat of the pants tests
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/21/2000, 4:19 pm- Re: Seat of the pants tests
Ross Leidy -- 4/21/2000, 4:43 pm- Re: Seat of the pants tests
simon king -- 4/21/2000, 5:07 pm- I do agree
Marcelo -- 4/21/2000, 5:58 pm- Re: I do agree
Ian Johnston -- 4/22/2000, 2:18 am- Re: I do agree
Dean Trexel -- 4/23/2000, 1:29 pm - Off topic: Banana Republic Citizen
Marcelo -- 4/22/2000, 3:16 pm- Re: Off topic: Banana Republic Citizen
Ian Johnston -- 4/22/2000, 7:02 pm - Re: Diesels for marine use ...
John B. -- 4/22/2000, 6:47 pm
- Re: Off topic: Banana Republic Citizen
- Re: I do agree
- Re: I do agree
- I do agree
- Re: Seat of the pants tests
- Re: Seat of the pants tests
- Re: Avoidance/responsibility
Ian Johnston -- 4/21/2000, 3:37 pm
- Re: Seat of the pants tests
- Re: Seat of the pants tests
- Re: P.S.
Ian Johnston -- 4/21/2000, 1:22 pm- Re: martial soap operas
lee -- 4/21/2000, 7:54 pm - Re: Well Put
Mike Hanks -- 4/21/2000, 2:05 pm- Re: Well Put
Dean Trexel -- 4/21/2000, 2:23 pm
- Re: Well Put
- Re: martial soap operas
- Re: Seat of the pants tests
- Re: P.S.
- Re: What information do you want?
Dean Trexel -- 4/21/2000, 12:22 pm- Re: What information do you want?
Bill Heuser -- 4/22/2000, 6:07 am- Time to step back and take a deep breath
Brian Nystrom -- 4/22/2000, 9:36 am- Re: Your Flame Sucks
Spidey -- 4/23/2000, 1:27 am- A little testy, are we?
Brian Nystrom -- 4/23/2000, 7:18 am
- A little testy, are we?
- Re: Time to step back and take a deep breath
Bill Heuser -- 4/22/2000, 5:17 pm
- Re: Your Flame Sucks
- Re: What information do you want?
Richard -- 4/22/2000, 7:54 am
- Time to step back and take a deep breath
- Re: What information do you want?
- Re: What information do you want?
Don Beale -- 4/21/2000, 12:19 pm- Re: What information do you want?
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/21/2000, 12:33 pm- Re: What information do you want?
Don Beale -- 4/21/2000, 8:58 pm- Re: There are no standards
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/22/2000, 9:53 am- Re: Propriatary data
Don Beale -- 4/23/2000, 11:55 pm
- Re: Propriatary data
- Re: There are no standards
- Re: What information do you want?
- Re: What information do you want?
- Re: What information do you want?
- Re: safety,reality,and b.s.
lee -- 4/21/2000, 12:54 am- Well put Lee (nt) *NM*
Doug Keaster -- 4/21/2000, 9:05 am - Re: safety,reality,and b.s.
Nolan -- 4/21/2000, 8:03 am- Re: Good morning
lee -- 4/21/2000, 9:24 am - Re: safety,reality,and b.s.
Brian G. -- 4/21/2000, 9:10 am
- Re: Good morning
- Re: safety,reality,and b.s.
Brian G. -- 4/21/2000, 1:55 am
- Well put Lee (nt) *NM*
- The right to make unsupported statements.....
Bruce -- 4/20/2000, 4:03 pm- Re: oops!
Dean Trexel -- 4/20/2000, 9:47 pm - Re: The right to make unsupported statements.....
Dean Trexel -- 4/20/2000, 5:31 pm- Safety priorities....
Will Brockman -- 4/20/2000, 8:49 pm
- Safety priorities....
- Now THIS I agree with!!!
Doug Keaster -- 4/20/2000, 4:48 pm
- Re: oops!
- Well written points by Nolan.
Allen R. -- 4/20/2000, 2:19 pm- Re: Well written points by Nolan.
Nolan -- 4/21/2000, 7:44 am
- Re: Well written points by Nolan.
- Re: Safety, two points
Dean Trexel -- 4/20/2000, 12:24 pm- Re: Safety, two points
Chicken Little -- 4/21/2000, 10:39 am
- Re: Safety, two points
- Re: Safety, two points
Ken Finger -- 4/20/2000, 11:38 am- Re: Safety, two points
Nolan -- 4/21/2000, 7:50 am
- Re: Safety, two points
- Re: Safety, two points
Derek -- 4/20/2000, 11:37 am- An outsider's perspective
Brian Nystrom -- 4/20/2000, 1:30 pm- Re: An outsider's perspective
Dean Trexel -- 4/20/2000, 2:05 pm- Not true, from what I've seen
Brian Nystrom -- 4/20/2000, 2:48 pm- Re: Not true, from what I've seen
Dean Trexel -- 4/20/2000, 5:13 pm- Re: Not true, from what I've seen
Brian Nystrom -- 4/20/2000, 10:41 pm- Re: Bryan
lee -- 4/21/2000, 1:39 am- Here you go.
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 8:02 am- Re: Strength Data Graphs *Pic*
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/21/2000, 12:28 pm- Re: Strength Data Graphs
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 12:51 pm- Re: Strength Data Graphs
Shawn B -- 4/21/2000, 4:04 pm- Re: wood density
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/21/2000, 4:25 pm- Re: wood density
Bill Heuser -- 4/22/2000, 4:38 pm
- Re: wood density
- Re: wood density
- Re: Optimized Boats
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 4/21/2000, 3:01 pm- Agreed
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 5:08 pm- Re: Agreed
Ian Johnston -- 4/21/2000, 5:45 pm
- Re: Agreed
- Re: Well Said, Nick!! *NM*
Ian Johnston -- 4/21/2000, 3:42 pm
- Agreed
- Re: Strength Data Graphs
- Re: Strength Data Graphs
- Re: Here you go.
lee -- 4/21/2000, 8:59 am- Fair enough, but...
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 10:19 am - Re: p.s. guys in a snit
lee -- 4/21/2000, 9:17 am- Off topic, but since you went there...
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 10:56 am- Re: Off topic, but since you went there...
lee -- 4/21/2000, 7:36 pm
- Re: Off topic, but since you went there...
- Off topic, but since you went there...
- Fair enough, but...
- Re: Strength Data Graphs *Pic*
- Re: Lee
Ian Johnston -- 4/21/2000, 3:16 am- Re: Lee
lee -- 4/21/2000, 9:07 am- Re: Hondas and Suburban/Guillemot and Roberts
Ian Johnston -- 4/21/2000, 12:54 pm
- Re: Hondas and Suburban/Guillemot and Roberts
- Re: Lee
Bill Heuser -- 4/21/2000, 6:03 am- Re: Lee
James Neely -- 4/21/2000, 7:32 am
- Re: Lee
- Re: Lee
- Madness continues
Dale Frolander -- 4/21/2000, 3:10 am- A nibble of crow.
Dale Frolander -- 4/22/2000, 3:38 am - Good points, Dale.
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 10:34 am- Re: Good points, Dale.
Dale Frolander -- 4/21/2000, 11:57 am- Raka
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 12:16 pm- Re: Raka
Ross Leidy -- 4/21/2000, 2:18 pm- Raka glass with MAS epoxy
Allen R. -- 4/24/2000, 3:32 pm- Re: Raka glass with MAS epoxy
Dan Lindberg -- 4/24/2000, 5:50 pm
- Re: Raka glass with MAS epoxy
- Raka glass with MAS epoxy
- Re: Experience with this layup *Pic*
Mike Hanks -- 4/21/2000, 1:04 pm- Practice makes perfect
Brian Nystrom -- 4/21/2000, 5:02 pm
- Practice makes perfect
- Re: Raka
Dale Frolander -- 4/21/2000, 12:37 pm- Re: It runs when you leave the room
Shawn B -- 4/21/2000, 3:52 pm
- Re: It runs when you leave the room
- Re: Raka
Dean Trexel -- 4/21/2000, 12:29 pm
- Re: Raka
- Raka
- Re: Good points, Dale.
- Re: Madness continues
lee -- 4/21/2000, 9:29 am
- A nibble of crow.
- Here you go.
- Re: Bryan
- Re: Not true, from what I've seen
- Re: Not true, from what I've seen
- Not true, from what I've seen
- Re: An outsider's perspective
- An outsider's perspective
- Re: Safety, two points
Ross Leidy -- 4/20/2000, 10:11 am - Re: Safety, two points
Rob Forsell -- 4/20/2000, 9:57 am
- Re: Safety, two points