Boat Building Forum

Find advice on all aspects of building your own kayak, canoe or any lightweight boats

Re: materials
By:Karl Kulp
Date: 6/14/1998, 12:08 am
In Response To: Re: materials (Paul Jacobson)

>

> The folding kayak I've been working on called for ash or hickory
> for the stringers. George Putz`s book on canvas boat building says
> that cedar works fine. I could not find ash so I used cedar, and an
> occasional piece of pine. Since I did not think the cedar would be
> as strong as the ash, I jsut made the pieces thicker and wider. The
> ash was supposed to be 1/2 inch thick and 1/2 inch wide, but I used
> 3/4 cedar, and cut the rabbets in the frames a 1/4 inch deeper. Seems
> to work.

> Putz uses 3/8 inch thick stringers, which, by themselves I think
> are downright flimsy, but he cross braces them in what he calls ``trestle''
> work, creating a very strong but light frame. Get his book (Amazon.com
> has it) and look at how he does it. Aluminum is stiffer and probably
> doesn't need this kind of bracing.

> Are you planning to steam bend the crossmembers? If so, then
> ash would be fine. otherwise, cedar or pine is fine. So is plywood
> in many places. A half sheet of hardwood plywood would go a long way.
> It would look beautiful and not be too expensive. I don't know why
> you want to play with oak. It is strong, but it is also heavy. I've
> never had an easy time driving screws into oak. I used red oak for
> a gunwale on my canoe, and for the decks. You might consider using
> it for the coaming or for fittings. For trim it is pretty, but you
> can save your money and use other materials.

> I'd give a thought to using oak for a paddle, too. Might be heavy,
> but it would be strong. You could laminate a strip of oak between
> two strips of cedar for the handle. That would give you the strength
> of oak in the center, and the lightweight, easily-worked cedar could
> be easily shaped and rounded.

> Paul Jacobson

Yep, I'm planning on steaming the crossmembers, although I've never done it before. You say cedar (western red cedar?) is good but nothers have told me it's hard to work. To be honest, my concerns about wood mostly concern decay. As I donn't want to be using old growth, I think finding decay resistant wood is going to be a problem. Waddaya think?

Messages In This Thread

materials
Karl Kulp -- 6/11/1998, 11:07 am
Re: materials
Paul Jacobson -- 6/13/1998, 3:42 am
Re: materials
Karl Kulp -- 6/14/1998, 12:08 am
Re: materials
Paul Jacobson -- 6/13/1998, 8:59 pm
Re: materials
Karl Kulp -- 6/14/1998, 2:12 pm
Re: materials
Paul Jacobson -- 6/14/1998, 8:14 pm
Re: materials
Mark Kanzler -- 6/16/1998, 12:31 am
Re: materials
Karl Kulp -- 6/15/1998, 4:00 pm
Re: materials
Paul Jacobson -- 6/15/1998, 8:55 pm
Re: materials
Karl Kulp -- 6/14/1998, 8:25 pm
Re: materials
David Dick -- 6/15/1998, 12:37 am
Re: materials
Paul Jacobson -- 6/14/1998, 8:52 pm
Re: materials
Rick Rubio -- 6/11/1998, 6:25 pm
Re: materials
Karl Kulp -- 6/12/1998, 1:35 am