Boat Building Forum

Find advice on all aspects of building your own kayak, canoe or any lightweight boats

Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
By:M A Bielski
Date: 12/1/2017, 11:44 pm
In Response To: Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC* (Dan Caouette (CSCWC))

The toggle setup is part of the safety/education regimen in both ACA and BCU. BCU in particular is looking for something very specific, and your kayak is not "safe" without it.

Many whitewater kayaks used to have a setup like the grab handle you like, and we always took a hunk of really big rope and tied it around the "grab handle" and left about 18" with a big figure eight knot tied in the end so there was something to grab onto if you had to pick up a swimmer.

I think that when you get ACA/BCU and manufacturers all looking for a "right way" to do things you're looking for trouble, and it's a fight I'd rather stay out of. I use "safe" toggles on my sea kayak, but I use bungees to hold them to the deck because I hate them slapping around. So technically I'm not safe. In my whitewater kayaks I put ropes on if the handles on my kayak aren't good for hands, like my playboats. Most manufacturers have good grab handles on the stern of creek boats now so that they can be used for rescue without any extra rope or anything. My swift water rescue trainer was completely neutral on the issue for swimmers, but preferred the more modern solid stainless steel ones for rescues involving a pin because they're more sturdy.

m

Messages In This Thread

S&G: Kayak grab handles
Glen Albert -- 12/1/2017, 8:34 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2017, 12:50 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
John Urschel -- 12/1/2017, 1:10 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2017, 2:43 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
John Urschel -- 12/1/2017, 2:59 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 12/1/2017, 1:36 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2017, 2:03 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2017, 2:52 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2017, 3:06 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
John Urschel -- 12/1/2017, 9:21 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2017, 10:19 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
John Urschel -- 12/2/2017, 7:38 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 12/2/2017, 8:40 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
John Urschel -- 12/2/2017, 9:23 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/2/2017, 11:22 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/2/2017, 11:37 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
John Urschel -- 12/2/2017, 12:02 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
Etienne Muller -- 12/2/2017, 2:36 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Etienne Muller -- 12/2/2017, 2:38 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/2/2017, 3:24 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
Etienne Muller -- 12/3/2017, 4:44 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/3/2017, 12:22 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
John Urschel -- 12/2/2017, 4:50 pm
Fake News Handles?
mick allen -- 12/1/2017, 11:38 pm
Re: Fake News Handles?
Dan Thaler -- 12/2/2017, 7:08 am
Re: Fake News Handles?
Jay Babina -- 12/2/2017, 7:50 am
Re: Fake News Handles?
Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 12/2/2017, 8:47 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
M A Bielski -- 12/1/2017, 11:44 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Bill Hamm -- 12/5/2017, 12:29 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/5/2017, 1:20 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Bill Hamm -- 12/6/2017, 12:11 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles diminishing returns
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/6/2017, 9:30 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles diminishing returns
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/6/2017, 12:20 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles diminishing returns
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/6/2017, 1:43 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles diminishing returns
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/6/2017, 2:24 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles diminishing returns
Bill Hamm -- 12/7/2017, 12:26 am
Re: Cold water kills
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/7/2017, 8:13 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Glen Albert -- 12/5/2017, 3:03 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles *PIC*
Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 12/6/2017, 10:14 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Glen Albert -- 12/1/2017, 1:41 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/1/2017, 3:03 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Paul Sylvester -- 12/2/2017, 3:52 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Mark N -- 12/2/2017, 5:08 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Dan Caouette (CSCWC) -- 12/2/2017, 8:31 am
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/2/2017, 12:55 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Jay Babina -- 12/2/2017, 12:56 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
JohnAbercrombie -- 12/2/2017, 1:34 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Tom Thomas -- 12/4/2017, 8:32 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/3/2017, 4:56 pm
Re: S&G: Kayak grab handles
Glen Albert -- 12/3/2017, 7:31 pm