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Re: Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair
By:Rob Macks
Date: 12/15/2004, 9:51 am
In Response To: Re: Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair (Jim Kozel)

: Hi Rob -

: Any thoughts on how to avoid the problem? I know you've suggested carpenter
: glue which tends to resist creep. Do you think the problem is caused by
: the type of glue used to join the strips, or is it a function of
: expansion, where the hot wood expands more than the epoxy/fiberglass
: sheathing? Makes me want to re-consider using a dark wood for deck
: stripping. Is it possibly the type of epoxy used? I know System-Three
: Clearcoat is used for surfboards, and I've found it to be surprisingly
: tough and stable compared to the basic RAKA epoxy.

: Jim

A very dark deck just gets very hot when left on land
on a cloudless summer day.

I've had boats at shows, with a dark deck,
where the deck was so hot I couldn't
hold my hand on it.

The air chambers act to insulate the deck
increasing the heat build up. Plus the deck
surfaces face the sun.

On water, there's enough cooling taking place
to relieve the problem, but left on land the epoxy
on the deck is going to soften under the intense heat
buildup.

Carpenter's glues can be reactivated by heat and creep, so if you
have a dark deck in a hot region you'd be better off using
a polypropylene glue, like Gorilla glue which is not effected
by heat.

The solution is simple. If you have a stripper with a
dark deck, don't leave it in the sun, on land on a summer day.
If you have a light colored hull bottom, turn the boat over.

I don't think the folks with the hot garage storage have to worry.
The temperature on the deck where I couldn't hold my hand on it was
way over 110°.

Don't leave your dark colored kayak on your car,
parked in an asphalt parking lot in the summer sun!

When the epoxy gets overheated any stress in the glass
will be released.

It's just a current weakness of the system we use.

Know the problem and try to prevent damage.

Rob

Messages In This Thread

Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair
Rob Macks -- 12/14/2004, 5:14 pm
Re: Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/15/2004, 2:31 pm
Glass workers do the same thing, Nick
Robert N Pruden -- 12/16/2004, 11:32 am
Solar post-curing?
Brian Nystrom -- 12/16/2004, 8:39 am
Re: Offbeat question
pikabike -- 12/15/2004, 7:05 pm
Re: Offbeat question
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/16/2004, 9:27 am
graphite bottoms
LeeG -- 12/15/2004, 9:49 am
Re: graphite bottoms
Rob Macks -- 12/15/2004, 12:50 pm
Re: graphite bottoms
Dennis -- 12/15/2004, 1:03 pm
Re: graphite bottoms
Rob Macks -- 12/15/2004, 1:20 pm
Re: graphite bottoms
Randy Knauff -- 12/15/2004, 4:05 pm
Re: graphite bottoms
Robert N Pruden -- 12/16/2004, 11:26 am
Re: graphite bottoms
LeeG -- 12/15/2004, 7:10 pm
You are right about this to a point
Robert N Pruden -- 12/16/2004, 2:14 pm
Re: graphite bottoms
Rob Macks -- 12/15/2004, 4:55 pm
Hey Rob, where did you get that number from?
Robert N Pruden -- 12/16/2004, 2:07 pm
Re: Hey Rob, where did you get that number from? *LINK*
Glen Smith -- 12/16/2004, 3:28 pm
Excellent info, Glen, thanks.
Robert N Pruden -- 12/16/2004, 7:36 pm
Is this the same problem? *Pic*
John Caldeira -- 12/15/2004, 8:22 am
Re: Is this the same problem?
Kurt Loup, Baton Rouge -- 12/15/2004, 5:39 pm
Re: Is this the same problem?
Rob Macks -- 12/15/2004, 12:46 pm
Re: Is this the same problem?
Gordon Niessen -- 12/15/2004, 2:18 pm
Re: Is this the same problem?
Will -- 12/16/2004, 11:53 am
Re: Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair
Jim Kozel -- 12/14/2004, 11:17 pm
Re: Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair
Rob Macks -- 12/15/2004, 9:51 am
another story of support.
Rob B -- 12/15/2004, 12:17 am
Re: Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair
CM Hair -- 12/14/2004, 9:42 pm
Re: Epoxy: Out of the Pit of Dispair
KenC -- 12/14/2004, 11:40 pm
Re: Thanks for sharing
pikabike -- 12/14/2004, 6:57 pm
Re: Thanks for sharing
Rob Macks -- 12/15/2004, 12:52 pm
Re: Thanks for sharing
Erik, Belgium -- 12/15/2004, 9:16 am
sorry
Erik, Belgium -- 12/15/2004, 5:24 pm
Re: Now *I'm* sorry.
pikabike -- 12/15/2004, 7:27 pm
Here ya go: from Rob Macks and Martin Step *LINK*
pikabike -- 12/15/2004, 7:16 pm
Here ya go: from Rob Macks and Martin Step
pikabike -- 12/15/2004, 7:15 pm