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Re: Off Topic: Haiku Time
By:scottbaxter
Date: 11/14/2011, 9:10 am
In Response To: Re: Off Topic: Haiku Time (Robert N Pruden)

: Drat! I miscounted the sylabels. No worry, there were three snowy
: owls soaring above the site last night.

: Robert N Pruden
Robert your verse may be OK but I think you got the the CLA in front of the LCB and the prismatic coefficient is a little off.
Scott

Modern Japanese gendai (現代) haiku are increasingly unlikely to follow the tradition of 17 on or to take nature as their subject, but the use of juxtaposition continues to be honoured in both traditional haiku and gendai.[1] There is a common, although relatively recent, perception that the images juxtaposed must be directly observed everyday objects or occurrences.[7]
Although the word "on" is often translated as "syllable", in fact one on is counted for a short syllable, an additional one for an elongated vowel, diphthong, or doubled consonant, and one more for an "n" at the end of a syllable. Thus, the word "haibun", though counted as two syllables in English, is counted as four on in Japanese (ha-i-bu-n); and the word "on" itself, which English-speakers would view as a single syllable, comprises two on: the short vowel o and the moraic nasal n̩. This is illustrated by the Issa haiku below, which contains 17 on but only 15 syllables. In addition, some sounds, such as "kyo" (きょ) can be perceived as two syllables in English but is a single on in Japanese.

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Robert N Pruden -- 11/14/2011, 12:49 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/14/2011, 12:50 am
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Etienne Muller -- 11/14/2011, 3:58 am
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scottbaxter -- 11/14/2011, 9:10 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/14/2011, 10:22 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/15/2011, 2:31 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/15/2011, 5:24 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/14/2011, 12:27 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/14/2011, 10:23 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/14/2011, 12:31 pm
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Rehd -- 11/14/2011, 12:47 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/14/2011, 2:21 pm
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scottbaxter -- 11/14/2011, 2:31 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/14/2011, 10:27 pm
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ancient kayaker -- 11/14/2011, 11:13 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/15/2011, 2:40 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/15/2011, 9:42 am
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scottbaxter -- 11/15/2011, 10:58 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/16/2011, 10:25 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/16/2011, 6:41 pm
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StephenHJ -- 11/17/2011, 1:56 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/17/2011, 2:08 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/16/2011, 6:39 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/14/2011, 2:28 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/15/2011, 2:42 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/14/2011, 10:25 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 11/15/2011, 2:34 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/15/2011, 5:31 am
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ancient kayaker -- 11/15/2011, 5:49 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/15/2011, 6:21 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/14/2011, 2:47 pm
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scottbaxter -- 11/14/2011, 6:59 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/14/2011, 10:30 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 11/15/2011, 9:44 am
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Etienne Muller -- 11/15/2011, 11:56 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/16/2011, 6:42 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 11/16/2011, 7:00 pm
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scottbaxter -- 11/16/2011, 10:11 pm
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Etienne Muller -- 11/17/2011, 4:44 am
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scottbaxter -- 11/17/2011, 7:25 am
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/17/2011, 2:15 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/17/2011, 2:16 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/17/2011, 2:17 pm
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Robert N Pruden -- 11/17/2011, 2:18 pm