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Re: We agree to disagree.
By:Pedro Almeida
Date: 10/15/2007, 11:18 pm
In Response To: We agree to disagree. (Rob Macks / Laughing Loon)

Rob, you're killing me!!!

Let me preface this, and subsequent responses, by saying that I'm not the B&C Nazi that you seem to think I am. Yes, I happen to think that B&C is the better building technique for all the reasons I've already stated. However, if you want to do rolling bevels, if you like it, if it works for you...great! I'm totally happy for you!

Now, on to my response.

"I can imagine someone running all their strips through one profile, then running the other profile, only to find out their set-up was off."

Come on, Rob, let’s get real here. I think any "novice" reading your post might just be a bit insulted. Novice does not mean Moron. To imply that a novice builder would run all the strips through the router table without making sure the setup was correct is quite demeaning. Even novice woodworkers have heard of test cuts (test strips in our case). It only takes a small piece of strip to check your setup. Also, it doesn't make a difference whether you're using one router or two, you still have to make adjustments and check your setup.

"...you cannot be sure your set-up is correct until you mill both profiles and put them together."

Sure you can! If the bead and cove are centered on the edge of the strip, and you're removing enough material to produce a complete bead/cove, it's correct. There's absolutely no need to make it seem overly complicated to first time builders. You make it seem like it's easier to have multiple root canals than it is to set up a router!

"I advocate and use 3/16" thick strips which are trickier to mill B&C on, since you must use 1/4" cutters."

It's absolutely the same for 1/4" and 3/16" strips; I've done both. The bead and cove just have to be centered on the edge of strip. It doesn't matter what the thickness of the strip is, it still has to be centered.

"B&C is not fool proof. It is not automatically self aligning. I hear a lot of complaints about strips out of alignment with B&C. And with B&C the joint is hidden. You can't be sure ALL your joints are tight."

Again, let's not insult anyone's intelligence here. I think it's extremely obvious that the bead has to be in the cove. Would you lay a wooden floor or put up a T&G ceiling and leave the tongues out of the grooves? Not unless you've been smoking crack!! Yes, you have to make sure that the edges are tight together, but that's the same with both methods. And guess what, if the bead is in the cove...the strip edges are perfectly aligned!!!

Rob, the reason I'm writing all this is because I think all builders, especially new ones, should be presented with the pros/cons and facts about what they're asking. They shouldn't receive extremely negative responses aimed at dissuading them from certain options. A new builder who reads your posts about how it's practically impossible and extremely time consuming to mill B&C strips might easily be scared away from that option. They'd think that it's a total PITA that's not even worth attempting.

If you read my original response to this thread, I gave my opinion and why I think it's a good option. I didn't go on to tell Dave that rolling bevels are the worst possible thing in the world, that each strip would take hours of planing/test fitting, that it would be practically impossible to do it right, etc... That would not only be ridiculous, it would be inaccurate as well.

"And that's all I've got to say about that." - Forrest Gump

Pedro

Messages In This Thread

Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
Dave Stoup -- 10/12/2007, 11:51 am
Re: Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
Ken F -- 10/15/2007, 8:29 am
Re: Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
Bill Hamm -- 10/16/2007, 5:12 am
Thanks!!
Dave Stoup -- 10/13/2007, 1:57 pm
Re: Thanks!!
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/13/2007, 8:12 pm
Re: Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
greg fojtik -- 10/13/2007, 8:37 am
Don't do anyting - your wood is OK
Jay Babina -- 10/12/2007, 3:25 pm
Re: Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
Pedro Almeida -- 10/12/2007, 2:28 pm
Re: Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
Mike Braun -- 10/12/2007, 9:18 pm
Re: Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/12/2007, 12:51 pm
Re: Strip: Rolling bevel on rough strips
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon -- 10/13/2007, 12:53 pm
I have to disagree.
Pedro Almeida -- 10/14/2007, 1:37 pm
Half the story
Jay Babina -- 10/15/2007, 8:55 am
Re: Half the story
Pedro Almeida -- 10/15/2007, 11:54 pm
And now you know --the rest of the story
Paul G. Jacobson -- 10/18/2007, 1:26 am
We agree to disagree.
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon -- 10/14/2007, 10:05 pm
Re: We agree to disagree.
Pedro Almeida -- 10/15/2007, 11:18 pm
Re: I have to disagree.
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 10/14/2007, 3:21 pm
Re: I have to disagree.
Bryan Hansel -- 10/14/2007, 7:28 pm